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:: I don't understand what you mean with "(2) We should find a solution if the file system where files are saved is not able to deal with big file to detect it automaticaly": If the app is doing the download there is no real benefit in downloading one large file instead of downloading multiple small files. Therefore I'd propose to keep it simple and just always download splitted files (2GB), independent of the target file system. (In particular as it could be pretty difficult to impossible to detect the file system on a mobile device). It may even make sense to also download 2GB-splits on desktop-kiwix as well (As the user can then copy the downloaded files easily to a mobile phone, although I agree that in the desktop-case having a single file also has it benefits.
:: I don't understand what you mean with "(2) We should find a solution if the file system where files are saved is not able to deal with big file to detect it automaticaly": If the app is doing the download there is no real benefit in downloading one large file instead of downloading multiple small files. Therefore I'd propose to keep it simple and just always download splitted files (2GB), independent of the target file system. (In particular as it could be pretty difficult to impossible to detect the file system on a mobile device). It may even make sense to also download 2GB-splits on desktop-kiwix as well (As the user can then copy the downloaded files easily to a mobile phone, although I agree that in the desktop-case having a single file also has it benefits.
::: Have to think a bout that (always 2GB splitted files)... they are pro/cons. Currently, Kiwix content manager is not able to deal with many files to download... This is something I have in any case to think about. [[User:Kelson|Kelson]] 15:38, 6 September 2011 (CEST)


:: Having additionally a single file is benefical if the user wants to download a zim file manually just using the webbrowser. While this is basically true for both desktop and mobile users, for mobile users the benefit may be pretty limited, as in this case typically smaller (no images) zim files, and so also less separate files need to be downloaded, and there is a pretty good chance that the user finds out only after downloading the large file that it won't work on his mobile.  
:: Having additionally a single file is benefical if the user wants to download a zim file manually just using the webbrowser. While this is basically true for both desktop and mobile users, for mobile users the benefit may be pretty limited, as in this case typically smaller (no images) zim files, and so also less separate files need to be downloaded, and there is a pretty good chance that the user finds out only after downloading the large file that it won't work on his mobile.  
::: Yes, not easy to have THE solution. What is sure is that I want to make the content manager of Kiwix so good, that a max of people will use it to get new content. But they will be always people downloading content separately. On the other side, I hope good smartphones won't have this limitation longer... [[User:Kelson|Kelson]] 15:38, 6 September 2011 (CEST)


:: ad "(3) Version for mobile should be provided beside the other ones". What exactly  do you mean with version for mobile? I was thinking that different versions (Like: No images, with image selection (as soon as algorithm is available ;), all images) are available, which can all be used both on desktop or mobile. For sure probably the majority of mobile users will use a non-image version while desktop users may prefer the all-image version, but in the end its up to the user what version she wants to use. --[[User:Cip|Cip]] 01:39, 3 September 2011 (CEST)
:: ad "(3) Version for mobile should be provided beside the other ones". What exactly  do you mean with version for mobile? I was thinking that different versions (Like: No images, with image selection (as soon as algorithm is available ;), all images) are available, which can all be used both on desktop or mobile. For sure probably the majority of mobile users will use a non-image version while desktop users may prefer the all-image version, but in the end its up to the user what version she wants to use. --[[User:Cip|Cip]] 01:39, 3 September 2011 (CEST)


::: ZIM files should be readable for everyone, but this is obvious that the manner to render a wikipage for a small screen is different than for a big screen. That is why the WMF has two different wiki renderers (http://de.wikipedia.org vs http://de.m.wikipedia.org/). So, in addition to with/few/without images ZIM files... we should also make ZIM for small screens, based on mobile render solution of Mediawiki (new - you were also at the Presentation at Wikimania). [[User:Kelson|Kelson]] 15:38, 6 September 2011 (CEST)


2. It is pretty complex to support such a feature in an app. (i.p. on multiple platforms) This may mean that apps just don't support this feature and let it up to the user to download the
2. It is pretty complex to support such a feature in an app. (i.p. on multiple platforms) This may mean that apps just don't support this feature and let it up to the user to download the
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: Separate download should always be possible. Detecting a mobile device is easy... in fact what matters is the screen resolution (we could introduce a meta-tag with something like minresolution inside). Detecting the nature of the filesystem should be also possible... although I do not know how? An idea? [[User:Kelson|Kelson]] 19:27, 31 August 2011 (CEST)
: Separate download should always be possible. Detecting a mobile device is easy... in fact what matters is the screen resolution (we could introduce a meta-tag with something like minresolution inside). Detecting the nature of the filesystem should be also possible... although I do not know how? An idea? [[User:Kelson|Kelson]] 19:27, 31 August 2011 (CEST)
:: Sorry, I don't get this. Are you thinking about the web page providing the zim downloads? --[[User:Cip|Cip]] 01:39, 3 September 2011 (CEST)
:: Sorry, I don't get this. Are you thinking about the web page providing the zim downloads? --[[User:Cip|Cip]] 01:39, 3 September 2011 (CEST)
::: Is still unclear what I mean? 15:38, 6 September 2011 (CEST)

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